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yeahh! finally a spanish diskmag released ;) ceibe ceibe? hola hola? ;) I hope that this diskmag still alive with a lot of issue's! encourage! :)

ieAH!, roulaiiiiissssseeee!!!! ;)

Bienvenidos seais Sliders ;)

the hand says it all....

ceibe ceibe

I'm sorry to discourage the spirit of a new group making a new diskmag, but this mag plainly sucks. The interface is ugly, and unpleasant to read. Lacks a few modules to choose from (about every diskmag I've used has them), or even a "turn music off" option. And, the worse, the quality of the articles is bad.

I say "yes" to your initiative, but next time, try to be more on the scene, and know the scene before releasing a scene diskmag. You can't just say "Nowadays demos use Allegro or the Quake Engine", or write a party report, then say "you wished you had been there".
You can't start talking about lamers the way you are, coz the only one which looks like a lamer there is you.

There are many things on this mag which make me give it a thumbs down, however, i hereby invite Sliders members to join us on IRC or write me to jcl (at) unknownproductions.org to guide them on the correct direction for a diskmag (as I'm sure everyone here will help you do it).

Meanwhile, we will have to wait for Ceibe for a quality spanish diskmag :)

As for the question some may ask: "why don't you make a diskmag yourself then?", well, it's easy, I lack time, and probably lack quality, thus, I don't make a diskmag. Sometimes it's better not to release something than releasing something plainly bad.

Sorry guys, better luck next time

okay, sorry, it does have an option to turn music off (yet it's not very clear wether that'll turn off the msuic or exit the mag :D)

Although it's nice to see people trying to start a spanish diskmag project, it lacks a better interface and some better (and I mean, a lot better) articles. I don't know if they are new to the demoscene or they couldn't explain what they know, but the articles level is somewhat low (seem to be written by someone that is very knew to scene).

As Jcl said, I encourage them to release a second issue when they have some better articles and a better interface, but not before, so get good writers!

Thumbs down for this issue, but as this is a new project, I won't vote.

Well, although the interface, music, graphics and overall quality is pretty low, what pisses me off is the quality of the articles. I mean, saying that the "demoscene is a CLAN" is REALLY lame.

Spanish mag, yet the font doesn't have tilded vocals? Hello? It screams (I've been ripped).

The editorial quality is EXTREMELLY low, and most people writing don't know dick of what they are talking about.

I think that it has a better chance of being widely accepted if they get better writers, preferably demosceners. I completely agree with Jcl.

Sure it's good that someone is doing anything on the diskmag front in the spanish demoscene, but this is just not up to standards. I hope they work on it for the next issue. :)

Hmm, I'm surprised about the harsh comments for the 1st prod of some newbies. Granted, the diskmag isnt great, but there is some work there that deserves respect, and it's a diskmag, for fuck's sake, people is entitled to say whatever they want (even if it's wrong).
Hope to see more productions from these newcomers

I've just read the diskmag and I totally agree with the comments above.
They should get people with FAR more experience and scene knowledge in order to get a better quality diskmag. Articles are full of errors and I simply can't understand why they write reports of parties without having been there.

Sorry guys, we know a lot of effort has been put on this mag, and your intentions must be good, but it seems you are not (yet) qualified to write proper articles.

No thumbs down though.

By the way, since it may be only interesting for spanish people, Why add this on pouët?

I've nothing to say on the content of the diskmag as i'm also quite new to the scene, initiatives are OK, continue to work, your prods will get in quality as you'll get experience. Don't worry too much about the negative comments, and good luck for your next releases.

Try to move to win32, we're in 2002 after all, isn't it ;) ?

Hola somos JJ y Navegante de Sliders. Y estamos aqui para responderos a un par de preguntitas:

1.-Esta bien que nos pongan una pagina como esta, no teniamos ni idea, muchas gracias a todos por los comentarios. Si tambien gracias a los comentarios malos. Nos ayudaran a esforzarnos y continuar.

2.-No escribo en español pq no tengo ni fucking zorra de writing julai, vale!

3.-La diskmag no solo esta en msdos, tb esta para win, para beos, y linux. Pronto en QNX (Si es que alguien sabe para que sirve este so), de modo que se podra ver hasta en lavadoras!, Mensaje para nystep: Por favor! win32. Pondremos un video de un pantallazo azul y punto. Ya tienes diskmag!

3.-A los que dicen que el contenido es malo, yo les respondo que es basico. Es la primera diskmag y es introductorio, siento las falsas esperanzas de un conocimiento profundo. Pero hemos pensado en la diskmag como introduccion al mundo demoscene. Para gente normal no para genios.

3.- Hay boton de apagar sonido, HURRAA!
esta en la parte izquierda baja de la diskmag. Deberiamos haber puesto un articulo mas sencillo de lectura basica para enseñar a leer a algunos.

5.- La ceibe es buena, y esperamos que salga pronto. Que nos compareis con ella es un honor.

6.- El que dice que nuestros articulos son malos, y luego piensa que no podemos decir "por que no escribes tu uno?" porque piensa que lo haria mal por falta de tiempo para hacer una diskmag. Nosotros le ofrecemos espacio en la nuestra. Ahora chaval! solo tienes que escribir el articulo. Ya no tienes excusa Jcl, veo que tampoco sabes leer XDDD!, por cierto el simbolito para apagar la diskmag aparece en todos los monitores, ordenadores, televisores y incluso en la plancha de mi madre, pero como puede que no hayas usado nunca uno de estos no tengas claro cual es el de apagar. Respecto al del sonido si es cierto no esta claro, pero desde luego no es el de apagar.

7.- Para los eruditos hemos omitido la s del titulo por jevis que somos, oshe!

8.- A partir de ahora agradeceria las criticas constructivas y si tiene fallos, como decis, los comunicais no somos adivinos, y los lapiceros tienen goma, y si hemos dicho algo que esta mal "tecnicamente" agradeceria que me dijeseis pues mira esto y esto no es asi, sino de esta otra forma.

9.- Las vocales ya estan tildadas, Hurraaa! Que contento se va a poner SiN. Sin rencores tio, que vamos de buen rollo XD.

10.- Mac cuidado con esos comentarios positivos que te echan! je je je. No en serio gracias por tu apoyo y respeto, intentaremos mejorar con ayuda de todos.

11.- Respecto a los reports de las partys, esta especificado que no estuvimos y fueron echas para gente que no conoce absolutamente nada de este mundo. Pusimos referencias a gente como Matt/ozone que con mayores conocimientos que ninguno otro, puede hablar mejor que nosotros de la demoscene, y de reventar tragaperras, que de eso tambien sabe mucho.

Para finalizar, espero que los comentarios que hemos hecho tampoco os sienten mal, los hemos hecho en plan de broma y para que veais que tenemos buen rollo y estamos dispuestos a oir sugerencias. Os invitamos a enviarnos mas sugerencias o incluso articulos y material (en cualquier idioma) a nuestra diskmag. Intentaremos mejorar tanto el interface como el contenido y por supuesto ya le hemos dado un toque RGS por la musica, (nos va a arrancar la cabeza!!!, no sabeis que pronto tiene esta tia).

Respecto a lo de Lamers, ni lo respondo, el solo echo de que exista esta palabra en la scene demuestra que puede llegar a convertirse en un CLAN , y el que la usa en serio merece que le llamen igual.

P.D. Esto es lo unico que se de ingles y lo aprendi de Futurama: Kiss my shiny metal ass!
je je je je, sin rencores y buen rollo!
Es broma. Viva la scene y seguid todos asi.
JJ: El proximo numeru vamos facelu en bable!
Votamos por el cerdo! je je je

trace, you have the most fucking anoying avatar in the whole of the internet man! Change that graphic or put an epilepsy disclaimer fer christs sake! :)

ithaqua: why not? don't you have enough with irc-hispano?(marginalizing us from all the demoscene) i think that pouet is for all the demoscene.. stop the spanish marginalizing please! be social! talk with non-spaniard sceners!

SiN: :)

Trace: If you want people to read the mag it first should be written in english. You definetly can't be social writing in spanish, don't you?
I don't use to read russian diskmags either.

This thread is starting to be a bit lame, please stop it.

I hate it when I offer my help and all I get is a comment about being or not a button to turn off the music... anyway, I'm still offering my help
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Spanish (for Slider guys): Odio cuando ofrezco mi ayuda y todo lo que queda de mi post es si hay o no un boton para apagar la musica. Aun asi, aun os sigo ofreciendo mi ayuda si la quereis ( jcl (arroba) unknownproductions.org ).

Cheers

6.- El que dice que nuestros articulos son malos, y luego piensa que no podemos decir "por que no escribes tu uno?"

^^^

Si va por mi comment, me referia mas bien a que, despues de criticar vuestra diskmag, la gente (no vosotros) podria decir que hiciera yo una [diskmag], y digo que no tengo ni el tiempo, ni quiza la calidad para escribir una diskmag, asi pues, no lo hago. Lo habeis entendido mal, me temo

^^^ homos! stop bragging in spanish!

^^^ homos! stop bragging in spanish! ;)

trace: you rotten SOB!

De tanto parlar en ingles se os ha olvidado hablar en español. Se ve que no me habeis entendido bien. Solo queriamos resolver vuestras dudas. No solo aceptavos vuestra ayuda sino que os lo agradecemos y la esperamos (ya sean mas criticas, o cosas mas constructivas como articulos y cosas que pensais deberian estar en la diskmag). No tanto hablar y mas hacer!.
Respecto al comentario que citas (el numero 6) Me referia a que la diskmag la ponemos nosotros, tu solo tienes que poner el articulo. Aun asi, ¿te vas a seguir negando a escribir uno?.

Por cierto lo de stop bragging in spanish, que significa?, ¿dejar de bragüear en español?. Lo siento no lo pillamos, debemos ser muy cortos.

Y repito, espero que nuestros comentarios no fueran ofensivos para nadie. Aceptamos cualquier ayuda. Por cierto nos duele que consideres como simple post un manuscrito de 11 puntos, je je je!

Buen rollito!!!

Main Entry: 2brag
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): bragged; brag·ging
Date: 14th century
intransitive senses : to talk boastfully : engage in self-glorification
transitive senses : to assert boastfully

My Taylor Is Rich And My Scene Is In The Kitchen (Sink)

This thread saddens me, and I haven't downloaded the mag yet (MSDOS)?

jare: the msdos version works well in XP but.. download it better.. [urlhttp://petra.euitio.uniovi.es/~i1766818/DISKMAG.HTM[/url] << exilium OS versions

ops! >> http://petra.euitio.uniovi.es/~i1766818/DISKMAG.HTM

ithaqua: if you don't read russian diskmags it's your problem. if a country has a big demoscene, why shouldnt they have the right to communicate in their own language aswell ? you aren't forced to read them.
for me, russian diskmags are a real enjoyment, as it's my motherland but i am living in western europe since 1990, and i enjoy seeing that in my home country a strong demo scene exists... and i guess i am not the only one western-europe based scener who thinks/experiences the same... but as i told you: if you aren't interested in mags in other languages than english, just dont read them, but dont try to forbid national scenes to express themselves in their own language.

dipswitch: it seems you didn't understand anything I was trying to say.

I'm sure alot would be lost if I were to just feed this in to a translator such as AltaVista Babelfish.

It's great that people are able to have a diskmag presented in their native tongue, but it would be even better if an English version (and possibly others) were offered as well.

This also raises an interesting question, is English considered to be the de facto common language between the demoscene?

-r